Women who get married but never work/have never worked

The Peg Bundys of the world. Are they just whores or do these horrible wenches have any biological purpose?

They’re stay at home moms

Purpose: to make bitchy sorority girls who turn us into accessories and jocks that call us "fags".

A lot of them have been with the same guys since high school or college and they just fell into this pattern. It's strange especially when the husband doesn't make a ton of money and there are no kids. In some cases I think the men in these relationships like the control and feel like it gives them license to cheat or do other things they want since they are the only ones paying bills.

It's a lifestyle I have always coveted.

Ann Romney is one although she always acted put-upon.

The ones that are the most ridiculous are the types who insist that being a stay at home mom is the "hardest job in the world ". No it's not, you dumb whore.

R 5 definitely. I still remember when that les democrat remarked that Ann had "never worked a day in her life " and there was this laughable uproar. Suddenly all these journalists were white knighting for this rich Frau mommy. So called liberal journalists will always jump to defend conservatives wives and families when they are criticized, but they will never defend liberals with the Same enthusiasm. Yeah, her words might have been a little tactless but the Dem lady spoke the truth.

This seems like a troll thread.

I understand pro Fox News gays need an outlet, and I must say I am happy they ponied up the $18 to support DL for their provakskackisyism.

However, if the pro Fox News gay is a veritable unicorn then, hey trollskyvites mayn't I direct you to the numerous Frau threads.

DL is 99% troll threads, you stupid fuck.

On SNL Amy Poehler had a character who was a stay at home non-mom

Having a mate at home to take care of the house, the laundry, the shopping, the errands, the kids...it makes a household run smoothly and makes for a happy home. There is a lot of work and managing, to keep a home and family organized.

R10 Surely they have never been portrayed before that right, buttfuck. R11 No one mentioned rugrats. Putting lipstick on a whore.

I wish I could find a man to financially support me while I care for my cat. If I could pop out kids and sit on my ass all day I would. Once they reach school age it’s all napping and day drinking.

If you talk to ANY actual straight man in real life they will tell you none of these bitches they are married to are putting out. So they are the worst kind of whore.

My mother was/is a stay at home mom. It's bizarre because my dad is an orthopedic surgeon and my mom has a law degree and even passed the bar exam but never practiced a day in her life. I was born in 1969 and my mom was just married at eighteen when they had me. I'm the only child.

According to straight men nobody is ever putting out. They sure love to whine.

R16 you have probably never known a straight man in your whole worthless life so STFU.

Yeah because they’re such rare creatures

Not that, why would a straight man wanna deal with such a vile creature as you.

I grew up working class and I never saw this. Every woman that I had ever known in my life worked. They also had to do all the cooking, cleaning, laundry etc. The man just mowed the lawn and was supposed to fix shit but never did and when they did they did a half ass job. They were construction workers, carpenters, plumbers and their houses all looked like dilapidated shitholes.

Kinda like these guys r20

They're not all the same. There are mothers who take care not only of their kids, but sometimes the grandparents if they live nearby. I know women like that, they work hard on keeping the home clean, the husband fed and the kids have one parent who is always present.

And then there are mothers that you see shopping at high end clothing stores at two in the afternoon on a weekday. They marry into money and they have a look to maintain. They have one nanny per kid and a housekeeper or two. Some eventually find a creative hobby, like pottery or jewelry making.

My aunt was a great stay at home mother. I loved to hang out at her house with my cousins. She had a big old house to take care of. She decorated it beautifully and it was always clean. She raised two children as well. She also supported my uncle who is an attorney. Sometimes she would have to travel with him to events/conferences and look good doing it.

My mom was a stay at home mother but was not very good at cooking or cleaning. She was pretty lazy come to think of it.

Woman today have to work full-time job and then do all the chores of the stay at home mother. It’s ridiculous how much work it is. It’s a raw deal for women

I wonder why this of concern to gay men? Anyone?

It's a chance to trash on women, R24 - you know our resident maladjusted MRA types enjoy creating such opportunities.

My mom worked worked all of her life. When we moved to small farm town for one year, she had to be a homemaker. She hated it.

I know plenty of guys like this too. They have pretend jobs. 'Landscaper' is a popular one. But the only landscaping they ever seem to so is a bit of titivation on the properties of their boyfriends. And even then it's usually only 'supervising' the professionals.

I know of one couple where the wife never worked, and they had no kids.

The husband was one of these autism-spectrum type geniuses who made a fortune in tech, which he wouldn't have done if he hadn't been married to a wife who had the excellent social skills, charm, and sanity that he lacked. There was an understanding between them that she'd be supported in style and given plenty of money to spend and time to pursue her own interests, as long as she made his career her first priority. She did exactly that - she maintained relationships and smoothed over difficulties, she took the trouble to understand the people he worked with, something he wouldn't or couldn't do himself. And she put up with him in private, and from what I saw of them that was the hardest part of the bargain.

There's nothing free in this world, there's always something to be given in exchange.

Why should they work if the household income is sufficient without it?

(I will say I imagine the partner who stays home is NOT the one with the highest earning capability, anyway.)

Sometimes the stay at home mom supports the husband. If he unexpectedly brings home a client for dinner, she has to whip up a roast in a jiffy and keep the home presentable for guests. If she doesn't do that, then the husband doesn't impress the client or land the deal and the wife doesn't get any money to run the household. It's a joint effort.

Until the last fifty years or so, there were few opportunities for women to work outside the home except low paying factory and service jobs. It was a point of pride if a man’s wife didn’t have to work. Before all the household labor saving devices, prepared foods, and affordable clothing, women worked much harder at home too. If both man and woman work outside the home, they should be paid equitably and one shouldn’t have to wait on the other.

OP, R6, Many of these wives spend a great deal of time taking care of their husband's elderly parents, siblings or relatives kids. Some handle their spouse's business-related social schedule, a tremendous amount of his personal errands and obligations, or are active volunteers at their church. Depending on their husband's job, many of the above relate directly to family income and community standing.

Daycare is expensive so I can understand why moms with small kids would stay at home. But the women who have no kids or grown kids are living the life not having to work, I'm jealous.

My mom was a stay-at-home mother, and she was not what OP considers these women. But then, it was the 50s and 60s.. the June Cleaver and Margaret Anderson days.

This is my sister and my sister-in-law. But both are married to men who make a lot of money and it's definitely a status symbol in upper middle class suburbia to have a wife who doesn't work. And more than two kids. (My SIL pretends to work, she has some business where she makes theme centerpieces for bar/bat mitzvahs, weddings, sweet 16s, etc. But if she has one client every two months it's a lot.)

I don't get the middle class or working class families where this is the case though. It's a very different dynamic.

But the upper middle class women pretty much have it made. And divorce laws are such these days that they don't wind up impoverished after a divorce, unless somehow the husband managed to lose all his money. (In which case they'd be screwed even if they stuck with him.)

R31 Who still takes a potential client home to finalize a business deal?..Is this the 70s? Deals are cut in boardrooms and fancy restaurants. Whip up a roast my ASS

Bingo R37

It would be creepy AF if someone you work with invited you to their actual house to talk business. (If you were actually friends, that's another thing)

People will invite you to a restaurant or maybe to their club, but not to their home.

My mom whipped up plenty of roasts in an instant for my dad's boss Larry when he comes over with clients.

^^And I should add that 95% of the time those restaurant meals are lunches, not dinners. Unless you've traveled to another city to see a client and are presumed to have nothing else to do, no one is going to force you to give up an evening to go to dinner with them.

If a man was a stay at home dad raising a couple rug rats while his wife worked, there is no stigma. If he has no rug rats then he is scum/panty waste.

R31 is posting from the 1950s.

R37, R38, There's still a LOT of informal business networking going on in flyover ville where potential and current business clients come to the home. People usually know each other through their local church communities. Wives volunteer to teach Sunday School or help out to visit sick members of the church "family."

Salespeople and their spouses and relatives are expected to get "leads" in this manner. I've been rejected from a few career paths in the past because I didn't have a very strong church/social related network to locate leads for the business.

Working-class men often want to come home to a cold beer, a hot dinner, and a well-rested, "willing" spouse. Not to hear she's on a late-shift that night, or her co-worker/boss made another pass at her. Status symbol for poorer men to have a wife not working as well. Then there are the many older mothers who spend their "free time" raising their grandchildren so their daughters can work.

taking care of a couple of kids, running them around to every damned event they sign up for..cleaning up after them and the slobbola husband...shopping, cooking, cleaning up , doing everyone laundry. ...thats not work???? Actually it isn't, its a form of slavery!

r3 I remember very clearly that some men absolutely did not want their wives to work, kids or no kids. There are still guys who feel that way and yes I'm sure control is a factor.

They are perfect matches for the straight men who never lift a finger outside their job. Yes, they still exist, men who have never cooked a meal, never ironed a shirt, never bought a present for their kids, never sent a condolence card, whatever.

Most straight men turn into lazy assholes the moment they live with a woman.

If your mate does a good job, why not let them stay home, they save people a lot of money, especially in child care and other services. Also that mate is usually ready and happy to have sex. For young people it is a great situation if both members of the couple are mature and carry their own weight.

If there is no provision made with a will, pensions, substantial investments and plenty of ready available cash, and the husband drops dead?

Poverty and looking for a job with no work history in one's 50s or 60s.

I have been a stay at home and a person who works a 40 hour week. I was pretty great in both situations. It was nice to have free time to play when I wasn't at the workplace, 40 to 50 hours a week. I always prefered to play.

Been a whore and a workingfrau. Good on you.

Shut up, R5. This is hard.

I'm a gay man and my partner brings in most of the money in our household. I do some acting gigs that pay decently, but I don't know if it would be enough to support myself on my own. There are times when I think I might just be using him as a crutch. It's not like our sex life has ever been anything to write home about, but it seems like he needs me more than I need him weirdly enough. All things considered, I do love him a lot, but I really love how much he loves me.

I should rephrase what I wrote at R36 -- it's a status symbol to have a wife who doesn't work ... and a nanny or au pair to help her out because driving to soccer/dance/little league is so damn strussful and she needs time to work out and all...

That's interesting R43 and insights into Flyoverstani life is one of the reasons I like DL, but is that the same as the sort of "Bewitched" scenario where someone invites the CEO of a company--or their boss--to their house for dinner (with kids) and the menfolk convene after dinner to discuss a deal while the wife puts the kids to bed?

Nice gig if you can get it. My brother lets his wife stay home - even though kids are in 5th and 8th grade. She is spoiled. But he allows it - so it’s his fault. Ts also a status and control issue for him I think.

My other brother’s wife bitches that she has to work - after bullying him into having 4 kids and now says she is so overwhelmed. Comtantly saying she wants to quit work because she is too overwhelmed. Then WTF did you push to have so many kids!?! If they only had one salary they would be living hand to mouth.

Why do women - or men in some cases - think they don’t have to work? I fail to understand the psychology of someone who doesn’t feel like they need to financially pay their own way and puts their life in someone else’s hands (do they think divorce isn’t going to happen). My whole family - men and women - all support themselves and make more money than their spouses.

As a gay man, it’s been a priority to me never to get married and give someone else the right to my money unless I choose to give it. I would never be with someone who didn’t earn their own living. If I want that, I’ll just hire a hustler.

R54 you should hire R52. Sounds like he was a former actual prostitute.

A lot of times it actually makes sense financially for the woman not to work R54

My sister was a graphic designer. I think maybe she made $60K when she got pregnant. (This was 12 years ago). The cost of a nanny, plus whatever it would cost for her to work--clothes, lunch, etc. plus the stress of a job where there was frequent last-minute overtime (e.g., "can the nanny stay late again?"), plus she didn't love her job, plus my brother-in-law works on Wall Street and makes serious bank-- it just made more sense.

Like a lot of women, she talks about going back to work when her youngest (who is now 7) is in middle school, but I am not holding my breath.

How much younger are you R52

[quote]There's nothing free in this world, there's always something to be given in exchange.

Bears repeating.

I haven’t worked since I got married and had a kid 12 years ago. But that’s because we kept moving every 2-3 years for career advances for my husband. About 2 moves ago we realized it would be a huge strain on us if I went back to work anyway - low pay because I’d have to start from the bottom after being out of the job force for so long, and, my husband travels a lot for work which would leave our kid fending for himself after school every day. He makes high 6 figures so I’m incredibly fortunate to be able to stay home, take care of the house, family, and do all the shit I want to do instead of answering phones and making copies or fixing computers all day at some boring job.

Threads like this makes you realize how many fraus we have on here.

I suspect many of them are here from YBM, a vaguely similar board in that it allows for anonymous posting

>>Women who get married but never work/have never worked<<

Best career ehwer! I rilli know wat I'm talking aboot!

R60 shut up, Meg. This post is about them so of course they can share. One of my friends wives is a Chinese lady and CEO of a corp making 500k a year + other benefits. Some ladies are making serious coin these days.

R53, Not quite the same as what Bewitched portrayed. What's really going on is social-potential work related friendships which are extremely common in church-based communities.

It's a form of networking. For example, you'd host the church assistant pastor for a monthly dinner and hint about who might be thinking of buying a car. Of course you'd donate a per cent of your commission to the church in return. Or your son needs a summer job and is seeking business contacts. Perhaps your daughter's interested in a classmate so you invite his family, who's new to your church, over for a very informal dinner. Conservative-values based communities still exist in the USA.

Many men wished their wives didn't work, so they were less stressed-out. When both have demanding jobs, and it's not just about the pay scale, tensions arise. So many husbands want to come home and be babied, or be mothered, as the case may be.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN a wife with no kids who didn't work. But I live in New York.

Check out the online blogs from fraus claiming to have home-based businesses which are at best hobby-jobs. Many have well-crafted recipe or craft websites, or they have a garden which requires a lot of care. Many are poor but don't have a vehicle to get to work. There's very high competition for legitimate work-at-home customer service jobs for major companies. That should tell you something.

[quote] One of my friends wives is a Chinese lady

And I was born when Herbert Hoover was president

There is a phenomenon called the mean and nasty North Jersey Mom. They drive huge SUV's and speed through parking lots. They eat food and use their cell phones while driving. They will scream at you from the car. They are full of rage with a sense of entitlement and any one of these Moms would cut a bitch in a NJ minute. Looking for a fight in North Jersey with an ugly scowl on their face. I'll be you there is some sort of scam in the family going on too.

They're in NJ...nuff said.

[quote]If he unexpectedly brings home a client for dinner, she has to whip up a roast in a jiffy and keep the home presentable for guests.

Who the fuck is coming over, Larry and Louise Tate, with clients from McMann & Tate?

It's not 1967 again, is it?

Stay-At-Home Mom....or Divorcee. How I longed for either status, but it never happened, or will happen.

Of the two, Divorcee would have been preferable. Then a man pays you for EXISTING.

Ha! r70 here, I didn't read the thread and I now see I'm about the 4th person who thought of Bewitched/Larry Tate when the discussion veered to "put on a roast for visiting clients". You people must be MY age! Old!

Don’t stay at home wives/moms realize they can be dumped tomorrow? I don’t care how strong you think your relationship is, it can always end. Do they just live in fantasy land that it wil,never happen? Even with alimony, they will have to pay their way at some point. The money maker husband wil suffer but will be fine - but the wife ends up as a poverty stricken bitter middle aged woman with no social security or job skills. It’s irresponsibke. Again, take care of yourself - why would you ever make yourself completely dependent on someone else. Pathetic.

Gawd, if only these women knew what their significant others were up to during business hours.

I'd once worked with someone who would announce aloud at company cocktail parties (out-of-state business conferences), "Monogamy is BORING!"

This certain someone made it all the way to SVP at the tender age of 28.

[quote] you have probably never known a straight man in your whole worthless life so STFU.

Wow, that's some insult. You really hit hard.

I have an aunt who did this. She quit her job and decided to be a stay at home mom raising two kids. Husband had an amazing 6 figure job. He travelled internationally a lot and met someone in Brazil. Guess what? He found a job in Brazil, cleaned out all his assets in the US as soon as the younger kid turned 18 and moved overseas. She was left high and dry, and now in her mid 50s works as a cashier at Target.

Never rely on someone else to take care of you

My sister is one of these women. She quit her secretarial job the day she found out she was pregnant. That child will be 43 this year. She raised 2 fine children who both went to college and have good jobs. She's had a little work done, (she's 63) but the bloom is fading fast. Luckily her 78-year-old husband loves her very much. It must be hard for the ones who were so pretty in their youth to lose it.

A friends mother made a very nice career out of getting married. Between widow hood and divorces shes sitting on a few million easily. The one and only job she had in her life was in a soda shop in high school. She just got married again a few years ago when she was 76 and he was 90 ,wich makes her 9th marriage.

What is this business about women not working? My job is to be a beautiful, slim, charming hostess and to be good in the bedroom. Sex is very important! All women should read my book and I will teach them how to be beautiful, slim, sexy, and charming. and how to cook wonderful meals, how to host wonderful parties and how to keep their homes immaculately clean!

I'm the ultimate hostess and I always have a frozen aspic in the freezer for emergencies along with lobster Newburg and beef bourguignon. Or one of my delicious frozen casseroles! Alfred always brings home clients on short notice. He brings them to "Alfred's showroom" its a lovely room with plastic covers on the sofas.

[quote] You people must be MY age! Old!

Imagine!! Eldergays on a DL thread!

Not really R74

It might have worked that way in the 70s, but most upper middle class wives are pretty protected unless their husband loses all his money or there's some unlikely and unusual case like the one R78 cites

Remember too that most of these women come from well off families too. So whatever the ex-husband won't pay for, mom and dad certainly will.

R84 Most women come from well-off millionaire families? OMG. Could you be more full of shit, Debra. Jesus fuck.

Did you fail reading comprehension R85? (I'm thinking the term "well-off millionaire families" speaks worlds about your educational achievements.)

I said that most upper middle class women who don't work are from upper middle class families themselves.

There have been numerous studies about that. I've linked to the first one that popped up on Google

Stick your studies up your huge ass. :>)

So you're a frau, aren't you?

Because gay men tend to love huge asses, while white fraus, especially working class white fraus like yourself, are frequently called out on them.

@R86 - Miss Gurl . . . The use of Compound Adjectives requires internal punctuuuuation . . . and then there's the "Did you . . . "

They represent all that is wrong with America. When there are huge numbers of families who can barely survive, there are women who don’t even work because wealth is so unequally divided. I have nothing but disgust and derision for stay at home wives - why are they considered any different than the prostitutes they are.

[quote]r34 But the women who have no kids or grown kids are living the life not having to work, I'm jealous.

Even when both husband and wife are working, men do very little housework, Or the husbands do such an utterly crappy job of it (if they've agreed to split the chores) that the wife just does it all over again. And very few husbands really split the shopping or cooking, from what I've seen.

So whether a wife does it while also working outside the home or while being a stay-at-home "homemaker", the cooking, shopping and housekeeping fall on the wife, akmost exclusively.

Below: Interesting article from 1970 (and has much changed, in this regard?) THE POLITICS OF HOUSEWORK by Pat Mainardi

[quote]r41 If a man was a stay at home dad raising a couple rug rats while his wife worked, there is no stigma. If he has no rug rats then he is scum/[bold]panty waste[/bold].

Maybe to you. What other outsider would really care?

PS: that word is spelled [italic]pantywaist.

Manfred Mann's song wins this thread.

[quote]r45 I remember very clearly that some men absolutely did not want their wives to work, kids or no kids. There are still guys who feel that way and yes I'm sure control is a factor.

Well, even if their salary isn't public knowledge, some will assume that if a man's wife is working it's because she must...because he isn't making much.

That's of course not the truth, but some men know it occurs to people.

I don't have kids, and am not conservative, but I did read something that made sense on a basic common-sense level, which stated kids who have 1 stay-at-home parent are better adjusted, and do better in school.

If that's the case, we need to thank parents who stay-at-home rather than work, because the rest of us in society have fewer freaks to deal with.

The only married women I've known who didn't work were either trophy wives or from a conservative background. In both cases neither man or woman wants the woman to work.

I've been a stay at home non-mom for the last ten years and it's great. The easiest gig in the world!

[quote]DL is 99% troll threads, you stupid fuck.

No it’s not, it’s 99% Timothy Chalamet threads, you obese whore.

I grew up in the 70's when it was almost unheard of for a woman with kids to work. My mom was a stay at home mom but the minute my sister and I could hold a cloth, we were her little house slaves. She put us to work doing chores. Every Friday was cleaning after school...one of us vacuumed, one dusted and we split cleaning the bathrooms. Every night we set and cleared the table and did the dishes. We worked our butts off. In the meantime, my mom would sew us clothes or make pillows or whatever she did in her sewing room. My dad worked full time but we weren't well off. It all went to hell when my dad got laid off and they divorced. Suddenly mom had zero work history, FOUR kids to take care of (my father paid very little in child support). Our house was foreclosed on in the middle of the night and mom hooked up with an alcoholic who abused her, but she felt she "needed a man." She got a job eventually at the post office and was able to sort of make ends meet. But we all suffered from her terrible choices.

Whenever I meet women who say they want to be stay at home moms, they make me want to scream at them. I've known plenty of women who simply don't want to work so they find men to put up with their shit and take care of them. One started talking about maybe going back to work once her kid was in 3rd grade but then, wouldn't you know it, she "accidentally" got pregnant again. In the meantime, her husband works overtime trying to support her ass. Another was a religious loon who stayed home. Her kids were in high school when she decided she wanted a divorce. She changed her mind very quickly when she realized she had no work experience and couldn't support herself, let alone her kids. She reconciled with her husband but is fucking miserable.

Do not EVER rely on anyone to take care of you. I've only seen it fuck women up.

If staying at home was so terrific, men would have rigged it so they could take care of the house, and women would go out to work to support them. Guess what? Never happened.

Getting out of the house to go work somewhere is VASTLY more stimulating and fulfilling than sitting in a kitchen and laundry room, even if you do get to go carpool the kids t and fro twice a day and stop at the market, dry cleaners, etc.

Again....if being a homemaker were so terrific, straight men would do it.

They don't.

R101 - sing it sister. You nailed it. Stupid reckless and naive for anyone.

R102, straight men would rather die than have to spend any time cleaning or taking care of a crotch dropping. They'd have to listen to you bitch about how they screwed up the cleaning. No one wants to hear that shit. Instead, they get to go to work and get paid WAY more than a woman ever would and they get to complain to the other men there about how their wives are such cunts. Trust me, I work with them. I hear it all the time.

Yeah, working as an office slave is really stimulating. And then to be your kids' ATM machine. What a joy.

I'd do anything to help Darrin win over the client.

R73, I really don't understand your unwarranted misogyny of calling stay-at-home wives "whores.," especially when it's often their husband's decision. As I previously said, many provide care for elderly relatives which can be beyond stressful and exhausting. Or with their spouse's blessing get heavily involved in church work or other local volunteer activities.

If the couple only have 1 car, or live in a small town, full-time jobs may not readily be available for wives. Or the husband knows the chances for his wife to be tempted by an extra-marital affair greatly increase if she works outside the home.

[quote]When there are huge numbers of families who can barely survive, there are women who don’t even work because wealth is so unequally divided. I have nothing but disgust and derision for stay at home wives - why are they considered any different than the prostitutes they are.

On the other hand, if that woman got a job she may be taking a job away from somebody who really needs the money

[quote] Or the husband knows the chances for his wife to be tempted by an extra-marital affair greatly increase if she works outside the home.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff? You think about straight people's personal lives way too much.

I know this dude whose mother subsisted on Tab, Parliament 100s, and NYT Crossword Puzzles, all day; that's all she did. She was also our Scouts' Den Mother, teaching arts-and-crafts in her days' old faded housedress and pink sponge-rollers orbiting about her zany head.

I wasn't the original poster but my cousin was a stay at home mom until her kids were in middle school. My cousin is cute and looks good for her age, she got a job at the hospital and all of a sudden was getting attention from men she hadn't had before. She ended up in counseling with her husband. They are still together but I wonder if her husband wishes she would have stayed at home.

I have a friend who is an actress. She works here and there on small roles on TV or commercials. She married a guy who, basically gave up pursuing his own dreams to allow her to go after hers. She has no clue what it is like to get up early and go to a job you hate just to make ends meet. She's always off trying to do short films that pay nothing or helping friends do their own short films. She always wants to go out for drinks late on work nights and gets upset when she can't find someone to go with her. She constantly complains about her husband not having any dreams anymore. I just want to say to her, bitch you stole his dreams from him by insisting you were going to be the next big thing.

105 and 102, you need to make up your mind which is worse. Staying at home or going to work. You realize that everyone hates going to work, but they especially hate it if they are supporting your ass while you are bored at home.

The OP is a misogynistic asshole. why do you care what women do if you would still hate them no matter what?

R114 Fuck you, cunt. We all hate da bitches. This is DL.

R109, I'm not gay nor a man. I've talked to lots of straight men, and married stay-at-home wives whom DL would call flyover Conservatives, usually through work environments. Vegas is heavily LDS.

Wives who did work almost always got married before age 30, and had their still very healthy mothers living with them to raise their kids and do most of the housework.

That's a bad plan for a woman (never work, financially depend on a man).

R113, Are you a married straight man? If not, then how can you say what 100% of them desire. You'd be surprised at how many want an old-fashioned, 50's-style relationship.

R115 "This is DL"

And? You shouldn't be so proud about that.

Just talked to my online friend, a stay-at-home wife who lives in a very small, 1 bar l town in AR. She's recovering from an injury and hopes to go back to her part-time jewelry design business since she can no longer work in nursing. In the meantime she's making jerky from the deer her husband shot for food for the winter. Meaning a lot of wives aren't lazy but are cooking, canning, and tending their vegetable gardens. Their husbands go on fishing and hunting trips for food which their wives prepare. They live cheaply, real vacations and trips are a rarity.

I've also talked with many single/divorced women who work full-time and are raising several kids alone, usually without significant spousal support. They don't need much sleep and are extremely well-organized.

I’m a woman and worked full time for 40 years . I wouldn’t dream of staying home and hold up my hand for money

Honestly, I’ve never met a stay-at-home wife who wasn’t neurotic or unhappy, starting with my mother. All had decent husbands and somewhat enviable lifestyles, too. Half were addicted to prescription drugs or alcohol, though.

It’s counter-intuitive. You’d think they’d be overjoyed. But, no. So life experience has taught me to never envy them.

My mother-in-law stays at home and she’s as happy as a clam. She goes to yoga regularly, is involved heavily in charity work, and— DL will be happy to hear this— despite never really being that political has recently taken up organizing political meetings for local candidates.

She also runs the house, their vacation home, and meets with the architect for the new house they are going to build. She usually has some sort of project going on I’ve noticed, and this is her latest one. She used to be an accountant before she got married which comes in handy with running everything. Her husband is a high-powered CEO so there is a little bit of that 1950s “entertain the client” aspect to her life. She regularly attend different banquets, etc. for him, which isn’t really her cup of tea but over the years she’s mastered it.

I think the most luxurious aspect of her lifestyle is that she is able to take time off with little to no consequence. She suffers from lupus so when she has a flare up, she’s fortunate to be in a position where she can take the time she needs to rest and recover. Most people aren’t so lucky.

I wasn’t around then, but I do think it must have been hard and lonely for her raising her kids when they were little. Her husband was gone a lot moving up the work ladder and while now I would say I envy her lifestyle, I’m not so sure I would have then... even if they did have a strong marriage during it all.

r92 I work in the entertainment industry on the crew and a decent number of the straight guys I hear yammering on about their lives chip in and do some housework. Might be some of the cooking or throw some laundry in for example. Most of their wives work as well and the kids are either at day care, school or some relatives house after school so both parents have to chip in.

My mother worked outside the home from when her first child was born until her youngest child started school. I remember she dropped off my youngest sister for her first day of school and then went right to her first day on a new job.

The really shocking part for the kids and my father happened that Saturday. The list of additional chores around the house each of us wold take on now that mother was back at work. That was in 1969.

The rest of the world had this discussion in the 60s and 70s.

I'm a stay-at-me actress!

[quote]If there is no provision made with a will, pensions, substantial investments and plenty of ready available cash, and the husband drops dead?

[quote]Poverty and looking for a job with no work history in one's 50s or 60s.

I saw a similar situation with my mom's friend. Her husband didn't want to work when their kids were young and he didn't make much money. When the kids were in school, he was ok with her working part time jobs and she eventually started working full time and did so until her daughter got married and started her own family. My mom's friend offered to quit her job and babysit her grandkids. That family wasn't against daycare. So she quit and took care of her grandkids for ten years and then her husband got early onset dementia at age 58 and then had a stroke the next year. His medical bills ate up a lot of their savings. He passed away a few years later and she now has money issues despite going back to work.

R130 That has nothing to do with being a woman, doofus. More to do with being a backward shithole country that doesn't have free medicare like most of the civilized world.

You don't think selling the expensive clothes and jewelery you just bought on your husband's credit to consignment shops and pocketing the cash is hard work?

I know one and while she is a very nice, politically progressive person overall, she is very sheltered and at the same time, strangely a know it all. For example, if you’re a lawyer, she will argue points of law because her friend on Facebook is the “top lawyer in NYC.” She says things like that. I never call her out because it feels mean. I do wonder what would become of her if DH either died or bolted. She in no way could ever support herself.

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