But you either still like them or enjoy their products/ art.

I can't help it, I have always liked Christian Slater.

I still like Marilyn Manson's older music.

If Marlin Brando somehow came back from the dead looking like he did when he was younger I would lust after him as much as I did before finding out what kind of person he was.

I am a proudly unabashed Courtney Love fan.

by Anonymousreply 124November 6, 2022 5:26 AM

I love Courtney Love and Jerry Lee Lewis. What did Christian slater do?

by Anonymousreply 1November 1, 2022 7:02 PM

r1, sexual abuse, biting some guy, drunk driving.

by Anonymousreply 2November 1, 2022 7:06 PM

'Tippi' Hedren.

I love her coldness, her low affect, and her nasal voice. And she's so elegant.

by Anonymousreply 3November 1, 2022 7:08 PM

Roman Polanski. He's a great director but lousy rapist pedo human.

Michael Jackson ^ same (great artist)

Woody Allen ^ same (copy RP)

by Anonymousreply 4November 1, 2022 7:09 PM

Frankly, being a metalhead of a certain age, almost all of the music I listen to and love is 'problematic'. I have had millennials mention x is an issue and they couldn't listen to someone who did xy or z and I just reply that it's musicians - you can pretty much assume that you don't know what they've done... yet.

by Anonymousreply 5November 1, 2022 7:13 PM

The line I draw is, children or animals. Everything else is on a case by case basis because I am ok with being a hypocrite.

by Anonymousreply 6November 1, 2022 7:14 PM

Procter & Gamble is known to test on animals, but I still use Dawn dish soap. In fairness, lots of companies test on animals. P&G was just such a huge company that it was hard to ignore.

by Anonymousreply 7November 1, 2022 8:51 PM

R6 Isn't Marilyn Manson an animal abuser?

by Anonymousreply 8November 1, 2022 8:53 PM

r8, I only know he's a sexual abuser?

by Anonymousreply 9November 1, 2022 9:01 PM

"Marlin" Brando made me LOL

by Anonymousreply 11November 1, 2022 9:22 PM

Bobby Womack. Really gross human being, a huge asshole who loves underage girls. But what a voice.

by Anonymousreply 12November 1, 2022 9:25 PM

Edward Norton, even though he's a jerk, I loved him in "the People vs Larry Flynt". David O Russell, even though he is abusive to his actresses, he made a few movies I really like " American Hustle " especially. Roman Polanski. Rosemary's Baby, The Pianist, China Town. Yes I know I shouldn't like his work, but I do, also because I felt bad for what happened to Sharon Tate. I do like a few of Marilyn Manson's songs.

by Anonymousreply 14November 1, 2022 10:35 PM

Katt Williams is my favorite comedian.

I don't really listen to Taylor Swift but I respect her as a human.

I think I will always respect and adore Sinead O'Connor

by Anonymousreply 15November 1, 2022 10:45 PM

Harvey Weinstein. I know, I know. He did produce a lot of movies like. AleJandro Inarritu. He's a jerk, but I some of his work too. Bird man, Babel, Biuttiful. however Bardo (And Whatever Self Indulgent Title I Could Pull Out My Ass) looks like dogshit. David Geffen. Sean Penn, I love Spicolli. I like some of Marilyn Mansons music too. Ridley Scott ( Thelma and Louise) even though he's a grumpy asshole who needs a nap.

by Anonymousreply 16November 1, 2022 10:54 PM

Just popping in to say I went to Chic-fil-A today, and I'm so ashamed, I'm crying into my waffle fries.

by Anonymousreply 17November 1, 2022 10:56 PM

Led Zeppelin, Morrissey, Donna Summer, MJ, Elvis

by Anonymousreply 19November 1, 2022 11:07 PM

I respect Taylor Swift too even though I’m not into her music. If I had a daughter I’d rather she listen to her then some dumb skank like Dua Lipa

by Anonymousreply 20November 1, 2022 11:29 PM

Don’t care for Elon. Love my Tesla.

by Anonymousreply 22November 1, 2022 11:47 PM

I like Johnny Depp, even his extra ham performances. Even he'd even been able to keep it together & pay off Heard to get lost, he'd still be cast as some oddball character actor-type.

I think some of Courtney Love's music holds up & it makes you realize what she could've been if she wasn't such a psycho. Never much of a fan of Marilyn Manson, though I don't know why anybody would be shocked that he's a gross pig.

I like Edward Norton too - he was great in The Painted Veil & even in a relatively small role in Moonrise Kingdom. Yeah, he's probably a headcase, but what actor isn't to some degree?

by Anonymousreply 23November 1, 2022 11:47 PM

Op Sometimes it is okay to lie

by Anonymousreply 24November 2, 2022 12:22 AM

Marlin Brando? It sounds like a great name for a pet fish.

by Anonymousreply 26November 2, 2022 1:23 AM

I still enjoy arcade fire and don't really give a shit that a couple of fully grown adult women regret fucking the guy. Buzzfeed really tried to make that happen though.

I think Ellen can be nasty but that she's not as unusual as the media pile on tried to make out. Most comedians are assholes. I don't feel any outrage over her behavior. Also I have no issue with Amy Schumer and the more the twitterati moan and whine about her the more I want to see her succeed to spite them.

I'd still watch a film with either Amber heard or Johnny Depp. I think they're both unstable brats and never got into the ott moralizing about the case. Oh wow a couple of narc celebs hit each other? Big whoop.

by Anonymousreply 27November 2, 2022 1:30 AM

We know the worst answer of all, but it’s not like those products last long anyways. His friend with the pillows, eh!

by Anonymousreply 28November 2, 2022 1:32 AM

R29 Yeah me too . And I'm sick of morons acting like she handed trump the election. Like sure dumbfuck, red staters voted for him because a 50 ish female Bernie supporter said she didn't like Hilary.

by Anonymousreply 30November 2, 2022 1:35 AM

One think I like about her is that she was 70 in 2016, but could genuinely pass for 50.

by Anonymousreply 31November 2, 2022 1:38 AM

R31 oh wow. I thought she was younger. Well I guess someone has a winning beauty routine.

by Anonymousreply 32November 2, 2022 1:40 AM

I find so many of the listed choices utterly bizarre...or I'm not getting the humor.

by Anonymousreply 38November 2, 2022 1:53 AM

Michael Jackson. I [bold]will[/bold] do the Thriller dance every Halloween and twice on November 1. Thriller is a classic and Michael's weird ass was a stellar performer.

by Anonymousreply 39November 2, 2022 2:10 AM

Julia Roberts. I know people say she’s a hone wrecking cunt but I like her. I don’t go out my way to watch most of her movies and a lot of them suck but I’d rather watch her in crap than most actresses.

by Anonymousreply 40November 2, 2022 2:20 AM

R31 we all really need to know her plastic surgeon. For that alone she should be DL legend in spite of her Bernbot shit.

She’s a great actress but so damn humorless and annoying. Like what everyone accuses Jane Fonda of being (but she isn’t.)

by Anonymousreply 41November 2, 2022 2:21 AM

I'm going to get eaten alive for saying this on DL but I've always enjoyed watching Kevin Spacey act. He's hammy but in a way that I find entertaining. He's definitely not a horrible, unwatchable hack like some people started claiming after the Rapp thing.

by Anonymousreply 42November 2, 2022 7:28 AM

I admire Sissy Spacek and her work. She's been in so many great movies. Plus, she's cute. She can really sing well.

Amber Heard. She is brave and talented. She's also beautiful. Everything good that happens to her will make me feel happy too.

Sean Bean. Talented. Handsome. Dangerous. What more do you want? Well, I dont care. I'm still a huge fan of his. I'm a rather new fan of his--circa two years now.

by Anonymousreply 43November 2, 2022 8:24 AM

Brando was definitely hot when he was young! I agree with you on him.

by Anonymousreply 44November 2, 2022 8:26 AM

Kevin Spacey is a great actor.

by Anonymousreply 45November 2, 2022 8:30 AM

I like Elon Musk. He's basically a permanently online, teenage troll with money. It makes me laugh.

I still love Louis CK's stand up.

I like Roseanne. I think she's batshit, but I've have a beer with her and listen to her talk shit.

by Anonymousreply 46November 2, 2022 8:36 AM

R42 I think most people agree with that yeah ?

by Anonymousreply 48November 2, 2022 8:56 AM

I missed the memo that instructed us to dislike and cancel Sissy Spacek. What did she do?

by Anonymousreply 49November 2, 2022 9:00 AM

I don't know, r48. I'm not out in the world, chatting with strangers on the street about Kevin Spacey. It's possible most people still like him. He's a pariah on DL though.

by Anonymousreply 50November 2, 2022 10:04 AM

People on this site have started a thread decrying her, Sissy Spacek, for nepotism.

by Anonymousreply 51November 2, 2022 10:27 AM

Eh, you can enjoy Christian Slater, and I do. Didn't he better himself pretty believably anyways? And was there really sexual abuse, not more something along the lines of grabbing someone's tits when black out drunk?

Completely agree on Michael Jackson. Really enjoy the old songs and videos and try to ignore what I know about him.

Kevin Spacey being a psycho isn't much of a problem as he always plays psychos, but I sure wish him death for everyone else's safety!

by Anonymousreply 52November 2, 2022 11:21 AM

Elon Musk

Susan Sarandon

I still love The Cosby Show

by Anonymousreply 53November 2, 2022 11:56 AM

What did Edward Norton do that was bad? I understand he is a pedant or difficult on film sets but I've never heard any perv rumors about him.

by Anonymousreply 57November 2, 2022 12:30 PM

Bryan S!nger. He’s genuinely a gifted, stylish, intelligent director, who unfortunately also happens to be incorrigibly disturbed and predatory.

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by Anonymousreply 59November 2, 2022 12:55 PM

[quote] you can enjoy Christian Slater, and I do. Didn't he better himself pretty believably anyways? And was there really sexual abuse, not more something along the lines of grabbing someone's tits when black out drunk?

Iirc back in the mid late 90s, Slates spent a few months in jail charged with battering one of his former girlfriends and throwing her down some stairs.

He’s a piece of shit for that, but I still love GLEAMING THE CUBE.

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by Anonymousreply 60November 2, 2022 12:58 PM

Amber Heard is an opportunistic, manipulative and lying faux lesbian. Just passable in Zombieland and Aquaman.

Christian Slater bit a guy's ear off in a drunken, drug fueled rage in a stairwell. He also abuses women. Loved him in Heathers.

Edward Norton is just an all around asshole. I've seen it. I really liked Primal Fear and American History X though.

On the other hand, Fatty Arbuckle was the victim of a grift by his "victim" and her shady girlfriend. He was innocent and proven so but nobody remembers that. His life was ruined and his films were lost.

Comic Paula Poundstone became hated when accused by her adopted daughter of sexual abuse. She was innocent but the stank stuck. She's still funny and great on PBSs' Wait Wait Don't Tell Me.

by Anonymousreply 61November 2, 2022 1:14 PM

I don't like Sarandon because she's insufferable (as is her former partner Tim Robbins), but she'd still be insufferable, even if she wasn't a Bernie Bro. Like him, she just relishes in being a tiresome contrarian. But I don't care who she voted for or why

by Anonymousreply 62November 2, 2022 1:33 PM

Many of Woody Allen's films are among my favorites

Much of Hole's music is really enjoyable

Madonna's last several albums - same. In fact, I like her stuff from the 2000s more than her '80s music. I can think she's a fucked up mess while at the same time enjoy listening to her music. Just don't make me look at her! (The pics at the links in the threads about her here are nothing less than horrifying.)

Much of Bill Burr's stand-up - at least the last time I saw him several years ago - is funny to me.

And like R15, I adore Sinéad O'Connor.

by Anonymousreply 63November 2, 2022 1:51 PM

[quote] Sean Bean. Talented. Handsome. Dangerous. What more do you want? Well, I dont care.

Relax, Orblando. Does Katy know you're shitposting when you're meant to be working?

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by Anonymousreply 64November 2, 2022 2:00 PM

R43 Why shouldn't you like Sissy Spacek or Sean Beat?

by Anonymousreply 65November 2, 2022 2:56 PM

R61 How is Amber a faux lesbian?

by Anonymousreply 66November 2, 2022 2:56 PM

R66 are you new? Anon eldergays on DL have the authority to wade in and decide how to label the sexuality of any famous successful woman...

by Anonymousreply 67November 2, 2022 3:04 PM

LL Bean CEO is a supporter of trump. I've always liked their products and clothes, and bought from them for years...and still buy from them. I have Schwab to handle my retirement investments....yet they also support trump. You do have to draw a line somewhere, but if you looked deeply into some companies....you could always find something you don't like. There wouldn't be much left in services to buy from and use.

by Anonymousreply 68November 2, 2022 3:29 PM

Ex-footballer and current coach John Terry.

Probably a racist (though a judge & jury have decided not), possibly a cowardly closeted bisexual, and definitely an absolute cad. He is doubtless responsible for a lot of STDs, bastard children, and drunken riots in pubs. He even mocked n!ne-eleven once, in a U.S. airport in full view of cameras and passengers.

But fuck it all, I'd still follow that man into battle. I can't forget all those times he represented on the football pitch. Forever my Captain, Leader, Legend.

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by Anonymousreply 69November 2, 2022 3:40 PM

Howlin' Wolf. Legendary Chicago Blues singer with the greatest voice I've ever heard. Only problem is that he allegedly killed someone.

by Anonymousreply 72November 2, 2022 3:57 PM

[quote]Fatty Arbuckle was the victim of a grift by his "victim" and her shady girlfriend

Virginia Rappe was too dead to be grifting anyone.

She never accused him of anything, it was Bambina Maude Delmont who made the accusation, and a doctor examined Rappe for signs of rape but found none. Rappe was already unconscious by then and wasn't asked about the attack, and died a day after the Delmont accusation. She was the grifter and poor Virginia had nothing to do with it.

I don't think Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle belongs on this list because he didn't really do anything wrong. It's not as if anyone likes him despite him raping a woman to death, because he never actually raped a woman to death.

by Anonymousreply 73November 2, 2022 3:59 PM

ALW. I saw a touring performance of Cats the other night and, for as much fun as I like to poke at it, it really is a great show full of highly-talented dancers executing highly intricate choreography. And I don't care how lame it is; I love Phantom.

by Anonymousreply 74November 2, 2022 7:36 PM

[quote]LL Bean CEO is a supporter of trump. I've always liked their products and clothes

Well, the quality has gone downhill and they've been outpaced by REI in the outdoor equipment department. And Home Depot is a much better chain than Lowes, but they're right up there with Pillow Guy in being Trump supporters

by Anonymousreply 75November 2, 2022 8:07 PM

R57, nothing bad that I know of either. Just that he's very difficult on set, the same as Christian Bale is. He just very difficult that's why I mentioned him. He's a great actor though!

by Anonymousreply 76November 2, 2022 9:42 PM

That's what I've read over the years, R73, that he didn't rape anyone. Nevertheless, it destroyed his life.

by Anonymousreply 77November 2, 2022 9:44 PM

Everyone should enjoy Bill Burr. Very funny.

by Anonymousreply 78November 2, 2022 9:45 PM

R76 Off topic but while I generally dislike family guy peter Griffin being ranted at by Bale was one of the funniest things I've heard

by Anonymousreply 79November 2, 2022 9:59 PM

Woody Allen is a genius

LouisCK is still funny

Kirk Douglas was a great actor.

by Anonymousreply 81November 2, 2022 10:11 PM

Madonna has always been unpleasant in real life, and her singing talent questionable, but when she was good, she was truly iconic. I will never get tired of her early albums.

by Anonymousreply 82November 3, 2022 12:45 AM

I've always enjoyed Victor McLaglen's performances in old movies.

by Anonymousreply 83November 3, 2022 1:14 AM

Kevin Spacey. Woody Allen. Roman Polanski. Bill Clinton. Basically, all the sex pests.

I draw the line at Michael Jackson, though. Just can’t enjoy his music anymore.

Oh, and I like Alec Baldwin and Mel Gibson even though they have said/done some crazy-ass stuff.

by Anonymousreply 84November 3, 2022 1:37 AM

Angelina. Always have, probably always will.

by Anonymousreply 85November 3, 2022 1:45 AM

I don't understand how someone can draw the line at Michael Jackson but not Roman Polanski.

by Anonymousreply 86November 3, 2022 2:08 AM

I like some of Kanye's songs. Particularly the older ones. Love Lockdown is great.

by Anonymousreply 88November 3, 2022 3:25 AM

Wendy Williams. She made a living off being a hateful bitch but she was always fun and entertaining.

Roseanne Barr

Kirstie Alley

by Anonymousreply 89November 3, 2022 3:52 AM

Lisa Rinna. She cracks me up, doesn’t take herself seriously, & is so campy. Plus she’s honest, even when it’s to her detriment.

by Anonymousreply 90November 3, 2022 4:28 AM

Here's another one: Sutton Stracke. She's completely bonkers & more than a bit mental, but she seems like she'd be a lot of fun to get drunk with as opposed to the rest of those dreary bores on RHOBH

by Anonymousreply 91November 3, 2022 12:58 PM

Woody Allen. I love his earlier work with Diane Keaton & Mia Farrow.

I never tire of watching those films. His later films are a very mixed bag and most of them mediocre and I'm really pleased when I watch a new Woody Allen film and don't like it. Like his most recent though, Rifkin's Festival was a delight.

Same with Polanski.

by Anonymousreply 93November 3, 2022 1:14 PM

Have always been a Courtney Love and Hole fan.

by Anonymousreply 94November 3, 2022 1:23 PM

[quote] Here's another one: Sutton Stracke

She's popular though and loved right now. I wouldn't say she's someone "you are not supposed to like".

by Anonymousreply 95November 3, 2022 2:29 PM

Woody Allen is one of our best writer directors. I miss sophisticated work like his. What do we have now, retarded comic book movies starring the rock?! Frankly, all the proof you need that the abuse story was bullshit is the fact that mia fully expected to and wanted to work with woody on manhattan murder mystery after dissociative dylan’s “abuse” claim. Fuck the terrifying woke mob mentality.

by Anonymousreply 96November 3, 2022 2:37 PM

Lena Dunham and Billy Eichner. Though I think the eichner hate is just a DL thing.

Also Miley Cyrus. With Dunham and Cyrus it's like a reactionary thing, I got so tired of hearing people bitch about them that I started to like them.

by Anonymousreply 97November 3, 2022 7:16 PM

Courtney Love is a good one. That old video of her crashing a madge interview still makes me chuckle. Shine on you crazy slut!

P.S. I one hundred percent believe that Kurt cobain was clinically depressed and committed suicide . Even though love is crazy I don't think she did anything to him .

by Anonymousreply 98November 3, 2022 7:18 PM

There’s no stigma against liking Liv Tyler, but you do catch a bit of flack coming out as her fan nowadays, given that she’s a Nepo Baby (twice over) of ‘problematic’ old rockstars & groupies, she’s now a Mom who doesn’t work much, and could best be described as more ‘lucky spokesmodel’ than trained actress.

Still, I adore her. She seems one of the few A/B-listers with negligible malice or evil in her. The worst she can be said to have done is rather thoughtlessly endorsed a shifty cosmetic corporation.

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by Anonymousreply 99November 5, 2022 1:54 PM

Elvis Presley

Apparently a pedo who dated a minor and allegedly a racist who hated black people while making a career off copying their work. Still, he had a legendary image and a beautiful voice. I love to hear his recordings.

by Anonymousreply 100November 5, 2022 2:08 PM

I'm also a fan of Woody Allen movies, especially the older ones. It would be great if TCM, or another channel, had a marathon of his movies. I don't like his very movies, too silly, but the ones from the late 70s and beyond.

by Anonymousreply 101November 5, 2022 2:17 PM

Madonna. She's disgusting, repulsive and I no longer believe any of the mythology that was manufactured for/by her since the 80s. But her best singles still hold up and some of her albums do too. But I will say I don't listen to her nearly as often as I once did. I prefer pretty much every other genre over pop now.

by Anonymousreply 102November 5, 2022 2:24 PM

I don't think Elvis was a racist. Regrettably a pedi or at least what's it called when you are obsessed with teens - hebeophile? Not trying to excuse it, it was really gross and offed up. And yeah, I'm also still a fan.

by Anonymousreply 103November 5, 2022 2:46 PM

R38 If you’re referring to some of my answers, Frank Sinatra had a sexual relationship with Natalie Wood when she was 15. Gene Kelly married a minor and was an asshole towards costars. I also listed Barbara Stanwyck because she was very conservative in her politics but that could be said for a lot of Old Hollywood stars, not just her. I haven’t heard anything bad about her otherwise so I may take her back.

by Anonymousreply 105November 5, 2022 2:52 PM

I also listed Chuck Berry because he was a sexual deviant in his personal life, but his music still rocks.

by Anonymousreply 106November 5, 2022 2:54 PM

I admire Muhammad Ali for his activism but he impregnated a 16 year old girl in his 30’s. Also groomed a few of his wives.

by Anonymousreply 107November 5, 2022 2:59 PM

According to a book I read James Dean had a reputation for beating up his girlfriends like Pier Angeli. I know he preferred men but still. I hope it’s not true but I’m still a fan.

by Anonymousreply 108November 5, 2022 3:02 PM

Only one person claimed Dean beat up Angeli before when he was drunk, so I don’t know if it’s true. It’s from the book The Mutant King.

by Anonymousreply 109November 5, 2022 3:04 PM

Jim Morrison and John Lennon were douchebags, but I still like some of their music.

by Anonymousreply 110November 5, 2022 3:04 PM

Marlon Brando’s daughter accused him of molesting her but I can’t deny he was attractive and a good actor in his youth.

by Anonymousreply 111November 5, 2022 3:06 PM

James Brown. Woman beater but undeniably talented.

by Anonymousreply 112November 5, 2022 3:09 PM

Marvin Gaye, impregnated the 15/16 year old niece of his wife.

by Anonymousreply 113November 5, 2022 3:09 PM

Heard awful stories about Faye Dunaway but she’s a good actress.

by Anonymousreply 115November 5, 2022 3:15 PM

Warren Beatty slept with and hit on minors like Cher and Carrie Fisher, but I’m still a fan.

by Anonymousreply 117November 5, 2022 3:17 PM

I liked Elvis' music, but don't like his movies...except, Viva Las Vegas.

by Anonymousreply 118November 5, 2022 3:17 PM

Jackie Wilson was a great and underrated entertainer but he apparently tried to rape Patti LaBelle.

by Anonymousreply 119November 5, 2022 3:19 PM

..very *early movies...lol...should have proof read better.

by Anonymousreply 120November 5, 2022 3:19 PM

Most people think Leo DiCaprio is a predator but I’m still a fan.

by Anonymousreply 121November 5, 2022 3:26 PM

I don’t feel shame about being an Elvis fan. I don’t deny the fact he engaged in predatory behavior and I don’t condone it either, it’s something I have to reckon with, but he’s been dead for 45 years and no one is seeking justice against him including Priscilla. I’m kinda tired of people bringing her up as a gotcha when she’s done everything to uphold his legacy and doesn’t view herself as a victim. Prince basically did the same thing with Mayte but you rarely hear about it.

by Anonymousreply 122November 6, 2022 5:14 AM

I wish he married Ann Margret tho.

by Anonymousreply 123November 6, 2022 5:19 AM

I kinda soured on Paul Newman after learning he was a deadbeat father and an alcoholic, but obviously he did a lot of good things too.

by Anonymousreply 124November 6, 2022 5:26 AM

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